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		<title>By: uc</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4241</link>
		<dc:creator>uc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK VK understand, now has Derek been abducted???????</description>
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		<title>By: VK</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4222</link>
		<dc:creator>VK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 01:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know, UC. This was just a general comment. I keep always hearing about Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. No one seems to talk about others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, UC. This was just a general comment. I keep always hearing about Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. No one seems to talk about others.</p>
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		<title>By: uc</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4165</link>
		<dc:creator>uc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VK  
I didnt say that and just in case u r curious im a Catholic brought up Brit with an open mind. endit</description>
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I didnt say that and just in case u r curious im a Catholic brought up Brit with an open mind. endit</p>
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		<title>By: VK</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4106</link>
		<dc:creator>VK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like when the Jewish people are the only ones mentioned as those who suffered the most. Evil is evil, however 11.4 million Russian civilians died (26 million in total), 2.7 million Polish civilians (excluding Jews), 16.2 million Chinese civilians, etc. 

Jewish loss is just a fraction of the the 42 million civilians who lost their lives during the WWII. Genocidal policies were carried out against the Romani people. Under the Generalplan Ost a large number of Slavic peoples were exterminated. The details of this were well known to those who could have taken action. 

In 1994, 1.1 million Tutsis and Hutus were killed in Rwanda within just 100 days (that&#039;s 10,000 murdered every day, 400 every hour, 7 every minute). Did the whole world know about that? Yes.  Did anyone do anything? No. Sadly, but unless it happens to them or close to them, people generally do not care.

Anywho...

&quot;Overwhelming probability&quot;? How did you calculate that? :) We discuss the probability theory if you wish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like when the Jewish people are the only ones mentioned as those who suffered the most. Evil is evil, however 11.4 million Russian civilians died (26 million in total), 2.7 million Polish civilians (excluding Jews), 16.2 million Chinese civilians, etc. </p>
<p>Jewish loss is just a fraction of the the 42 million civilians who lost their lives during the WWII. Genocidal policies were carried out against the Romani people. Under the Generalplan Ost a large number of Slavic peoples were exterminated. The details of this were well known to those who could have taken action. </p>
<p>In 1994, 1.1 million Tutsis and Hutus were killed in Rwanda within just 100 days (that&#8217;s 10,000 murdered every day, 400 every hour, 7 every minute). Did the whole world know about that? Yes.  Did anyone do anything? No. Sadly, but unless it happens to them or close to them, people generally do not care.</p>
<p>Anywho&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Overwhelming probability&#8221;? How did you calculate that? <img src='http://www.derekmartin.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  We discuss the probability theory if you wish.</p>
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		<title>By: uc</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4079</link>
		<dc:creator>uc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well there was intelligence about the genocide but rather a lot of people at the time dismissed it as far fetched and unbelievable and they were somewhat preoccupied at the time. (thanks for remembering the other peoples who suffered).

Overwhelming probability = probable truth. Anyhow its an interesting debate.I must go now as I just found sixpence under my pillow from the Tooth Fairy  and have to skip down to the shops for some sweeties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well there was intelligence about the genocide but rather a lot of people at the time dismissed it as far fetched and unbelievable and they were somewhat preoccupied at the time. (thanks for remembering the other peoples who suffered).</p>
<p>Overwhelming probability = probable truth. Anyhow its an interesting debate.I must go now as I just found sixpence under my pillow from the Tooth Fairy  and have to skip down to the shops for some sweeties.</p>
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		<title>By: VK</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4054</link>
		<dc:creator>VK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. what was happening with the Jews, Romani, Slavic peoples was well known to the international community back then
2. &quot;the probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now&quot; &lt;&lt; so is the view that God exists and so does Santa and Tooth Fairy (although some stop believing in both after a certain age). belief != truth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. what was happening with the Jews, Romani, Slavic peoples was well known to the international community back then<br />
2. &#8220;the probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now&#8221; &lt;&lt; so is the view that God exists and so does Santa and Tooth Fairy (although some stop believing in both after a certain age). belief != truth</p>
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		<title>By: uc</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-4047</link>
		<dc:creator>uc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its was exactly by dismissing intel (mostly personal stories and local intel) that led the world to dismiss the genocide of 6 million jews whilst it was actually happening as no  one could beleive it without positive proof which usually is only available after an event.A lot of interviews I have listened to recently(not from axe grinders,cooks or for profit orgs) seem very convincing with regard to et existence.We know in particular how afraid the US seem to be concerning ufo secrets hence the stance re Gary MacKinnon.The strictly scientific approach is not always appropriate I feel. The probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now.You can believe on the basis of probability. The Hadron collider is testing probability to provide proof and expand scientific understanding of some things we have accepted for many years without absolute scientific proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its was exactly by dismissing intel (mostly personal stories and local intel) that led the world to dismiss the genocide of 6 million jews whilst it was actually happening as no  one could beleive it without positive proof which usually is only available after an event.A lot of interviews I have listened to recently(not from axe grinders,cooks or for profit orgs) seem very convincing with regard to et existence.We know in particular how afraid the US seem to be concerning ufo secrets hence the stance re Gary MacKinnon.The strictly scientific approach is not always appropriate I feel. The probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now.You can believe on the basis of probability. The Hadron collider is testing probability to provide proof and expand scientific understanding of some things we have accepted for many years without absolute scientific proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the proof we need can&#039;t be observed (universally by impartial parties), measured, or quantified today, then it can&#039;t be proved today. You&#039;re right to say that this doesn&#039;t mean it can&#039;t someday be proved, however this fact does nothing to lend any of the theories any credibility. Today it is false and there is nothing to indicate that that will ever change. It is simply useless to bring up the notion of evidence until that evidence actually exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the proof we need can&#8217;t be observed (universally by impartial parties), measured, or quantified today, then it can&#8217;t be proved today. You&#8217;re right to say that this doesn&#8217;t mean it can&#8217;t someday be proved, however this fact does nothing to lend any of the theories any credibility. Today it is false and there is nothing to indicate that that will ever change. It is simply useless to bring up the notion of evidence until that evidence actually exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-3957</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial.&quot;

I *almost* agree... except for the word &quot;any&quot;.

I&#039;m not saying that all experimental results are untrustworthy. 
I&#039;m saying there are certain types of experiments where they can&#039;t be trusted (yet).
Experimental results are currently trustworthy for anything that resides 100% in the physical world / 3rd dimension... 

Unfortunately, there are real places, people, and things that are not physical / 3rd dimensional. Experimental observations cannot be trusted when observing non-physical / Nth dimensional effects.

By way of example, people have died on the operating table - complete flatline with no brain activity - and been revived 20 minutes later. They claim to have been hovering over their bodies watching the entire procedure, AND they are able to tell the Doctors who did what, and when, and where they were standing, despite the fact that their eyes were closed, and brains were dead. This has been documented by attending doctors, who were dumbfounded.

As another example, some autistic savants claim see numbers as physical things. We know their brains are wired differently, because they&#039;re autistic savants, but we have no idea how or why they can somehow see another dimension to numbers. We can&#039;t, but that doesn&#039;t mean those qualities don&#039;t exist.

To go back to my original point about impartiality and the observer having an effect on the observed... Beliefs &amp; thoughts &amp; ideas are definitely not &quot;nothings&quot;. We know they exist because we all have them... but we can&#039;t measure them. They are all excellent examples of N-dimensional non-physical things, and those things have qualities: frightening, hopeful, funny, etc. 

If you&#039;ll agree that non-physical things have properties, then it&#039;s possible that they might interact with other non-physical things. It is in this way that pre-conceptions could affect whether or not you see ghosts. As they say &quot;If you are open to it, you will experience it&quot;. 

This doesn&#039;t mean that verifying &amp; measuring is impossible... it just means that there are other variables entering into the equation; ones we have not been accounting for.

The Problem With Science isn&#039;t that it clings to physicality and measurability, but that it insists that if we can&#039;t measure something today, it musn&#039;t exist, and must be bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial.&#8221;</p>
<p>I *almost* agree&#8230; except for the word &#8220;any&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that all experimental results are untrustworthy.<br />
I&#8217;m saying there are certain types of experiments where they can&#8217;t be trusted (yet).<br />
Experimental results are currently trustworthy for anything that resides 100% in the physical world / 3rd dimension&#8230; </p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are real places, people, and things that are not physical / 3rd dimensional. Experimental observations cannot be trusted when observing non-physical / Nth dimensional effects.</p>
<p>By way of example, people have died on the operating table &#8211; complete flatline with no brain activity &#8211; and been revived 20 minutes later. They claim to have been hovering over their bodies watching the entire procedure, AND they are able to tell the Doctors who did what, and when, and where they were standing, despite the fact that their eyes were closed, and brains were dead. This has been documented by attending doctors, who were dumbfounded.</p>
<p>As another example, some autistic savants claim see numbers as physical things. We know their brains are wired differently, because they&#8217;re autistic savants, but we have no idea how or why they can somehow see another dimension to numbers. We can&#8217;t, but that doesn&#8217;t mean those qualities don&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>To go back to my original point about impartiality and the observer having an effect on the observed&#8230; Beliefs &#038; thoughts &#038; ideas are definitely not &#8220;nothings&#8221;. We know they exist because we all have them&#8230; but we can&#8217;t measure them. They are all excellent examples of N-dimensional non-physical things, and those things have qualities: frightening, hopeful, funny, etc. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;ll agree that non-physical things have properties, then it&#8217;s possible that they might interact with other non-physical things. It is in this way that pre-conceptions could affect whether or not you see ghosts. As they say &#8220;If you are open to it, you will experience it&#8221;. </p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t mean that verifying &#038; measuring is impossible&#8230; it just means that there are other variables entering into the equation; ones we have not been accounting for.</p>
<p>The Problem With Science isn&#8217;t that it clings to physicality and measurability, but that it insists that if we can&#8217;t measure something today, it musn&#8217;t exist, and must be bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/06/09/the-shadow-government/comment-page-1/#comment-3954</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The experimentor’s belief system &amp; expectations are the confound variable.&quot; 

This statement is so riddled with fallacy, I don&#039;t even know where to begin. For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial. 100&#039;s of years of scientific progress should be tossed out the window if this isn&#039;t to remain true.
The only thing that changes when the experiment is carried out by a so called &quot;believer&quot; is the interpretation of the results.
The credibility, such that it is in my estimation, of some of your ideas, took a plunge of leagues with that single sentence. 
I used to think some of your beliefs were &quot;just a bit kooky&quot; now I&#039;m wondering when kooky becomes fanatical and benign becomes harmful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The experimentor’s belief system &amp; expectations are the confound variable.&#8221; </p>
<p>This statement is so riddled with fallacy, I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial. 100&#8242;s of years of scientific progress should be tossed out the window if this isn&#8217;t to remain true.<br />
The only thing that changes when the experiment is carried out by a so called &#8220;believer&#8221; is the interpretation of the results.<br />
The credibility, such that it is in my estimation, of some of your ideas, took a plunge of leagues with that single sentence.<br />
I used to think some of your beliefs were &#8220;just a bit kooky&#8221; now I&#8217;m wondering when kooky becomes fanatical and benign becomes harmful.</p>
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