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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/07/11/cseti-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-14471</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally believe we have always existed, and will always exist. Not only that, but time does not exist. Everything is now. We live in a 4 dimensional plane: x+y+z+time. Time is just an artifact of perception. To us, it appears to exist. We perceive it to, so it must... but it might look very different to someone/something on a 9 dimensional plane. What I am getting at is that the future is happening now, but so is the past. This is a simple way to account for phenomena such as deja-vu and pre-cognition.

As for us being a grand experiment... I don&#039;t know. I think everything&#039;s purpose is to evolve. Water into vapour. Coal into diamonds. etc.

While I think it&#039;s possible that the prophets of our past were ETs, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary that they were. Buddha never claimed to be special. He was just a guy who had a realization. People don&#039;t worship the Buddha -- they revere his insight. We&#039;ve all heard the 1970s quote that humans only use about 10% of their brains. I think The Prophets used significantly more. They weren&#039;t supernatural -- they were just 100% natural. It might be more correct to think of the rest of us as sub-natural.

Now, getting into the whole ETs/Angels/Christ/Satan aspect... Yes, I would say the secret military is misaligned. The secret military wants power, and is willing to oppress free people to get it. Does that sound more like Darkness or Light?

Evolution is about enlightenment. It is about learning and regaining spirituality.
It is about turning out base selves into our best selves.
To me, this is the process of moving from hell to heaven.

For a very enlightening talk on the subject, I recommend listening to this episode of the radio show &quot;This American Life&quot;, where they interview Reverend Carlton Pearson. It&#039;s free to listen: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1273</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally believe we have always existed, and will always exist. Not only that, but time does not exist. Everything is now. We live in a 4 dimensional plane: x+y+z+time. Time is just an artifact of perception. To us, it appears to exist. We perceive it to, so it must&#8230; but it might look very different to someone/something on a 9 dimensional plane. What I am getting at is that the future is happening now, but so is the past. This is a simple way to account for phenomena such as deja-vu and pre-cognition.</p>
<p>As for us being a grand experiment&#8230; I don&#8217;t know. I think everything&#8217;s purpose is to evolve. Water into vapour. Coal into diamonds. etc.</p>
<p>While I think it&#8217;s possible that the prophets of our past were ETs, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary that they were. Buddha never claimed to be special. He was just a guy who had a realization. People don&#8217;t worship the Buddha &#8212; they revere his insight. We&#8217;ve all heard the 1970s quote that humans only use about 10% of their brains. I think The Prophets used significantly more. They weren&#8217;t supernatural &#8212; they were just 100% natural. It might be more correct to think of the rest of us as sub-natural.</p>
<p>Now, getting into the whole ETs/Angels/Christ/Satan aspect&#8230; Yes, I would say the secret military is misaligned. The secret military wants power, and is willing to oppress free people to get it. Does that sound more like Darkness or Light?</p>
<p>Evolution is about enlightenment. It is about learning and regaining spirituality.<br />
It is about turning out base selves into our best selves.<br />
To me, this is the process of moving from hell to heaven.</p>
<p>For a very enlightening talk on the subject, I recommend listening to this episode of the radio show &#8220;This American Life&#8221;, where they interview Reverend Carlton Pearson. It&#8217;s free to listen: <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1273" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1273</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chuckspirit</title>
		<link>http://www.derekmartin.ca/2009/07/11/cseti-training-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-14470</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuckspirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

I appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions

Let me slightly expand on my first questions, i.e. the ones I would like to ask the ET’s.

Let me combine the first, third and sixth questions.

Where were we and where are we going and do humans have immortality?  It would be nice if the ET’s could clear up the following:

My logical compass works like this:  If I stand on the rim of the earth I can look forward into eternity. But this view must have a reciprocal. I place a mirror so one eye is looking backward into eternity and the other is looking forward into eternity.  What do I take away from this:  Either I have always existed and always will or I have not existed  until this life and will not exist after this life.  The logical compass will not accept the concept that we did not exist before this life but can go forward into eternity after this life.

Question two, why are we here seems to beg the answer that we are here to see how far we can evolve. This takes on the flavor that we are one grand experiment. Being observed and tended by the ET’s.

Questions Four and Five.  ET’s relationship to the Bible and are they immortal.  More correctly does the bible describe ET’s in their various forms?  See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy#Seraphim_in_Non-Canonical_Sources

Were Christ, Allah, Buda, Etc? Special ET’s sent here to give us council?

Question Seven and Eight, Were Evil ET’s banished here and will they be destroyed?

I personally know a group of over six million people who believe that there was a serious conflict in the council of the most high and that one third of the ET’s (Satan and his angles) were banished to earth and have become evil. That the other two thirds (Christ and his angles) will come to earth to destroy the evil ET’s. This would imply that the secret military you talk about is aligned on the wrong side!!

Chuckspirit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>I appreciate your taking the time to answer my questions</p>
<p>Let me slightly expand on my first questions, i.e. the ones I would like to ask the ET’s.</p>
<p>Let me combine the first, third and sixth questions.</p>
<p>Where were we and where are we going and do humans have immortality?  It would be nice if the ET’s could clear up the following:</p>
<p>My logical compass works like this:  If I stand on the rim of the earth I can look forward into eternity. But this view must have a reciprocal. I place a mirror so one eye is looking backward into eternity and the other is looking forward into eternity.  What do I take away from this:  Either I have always existed and always will or I have not existed  until this life and will not exist after this life.  The logical compass will not accept the concept that we did not exist before this life but can go forward into eternity after this life.</p>
<p>Question two, why are we here seems to beg the answer that we are here to see how far we can evolve. This takes on the flavor that we are one grand experiment. Being observed and tended by the ET’s.</p>
<p>Questions Four and Five.  ET’s relationship to the Bible and are they immortal.  More correctly does the bible describe ET’s in their various forms?  See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy#Seraphim_in_Non-Canonical_Sources" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_angelic_hierarchy#Seraphim_in_Non-Canonical_Sources</a></p>
<p>Were Christ, Allah, Buda, Etc? Special ET’s sent here to give us council?</p>
<p>Question Seven and Eight, Were Evil ET’s banished here and will they be destroyed?</p>
<p>I personally know a group of over six million people who believe that there was a serious conflict in the council of the most high and that one third of the ET’s (Satan and his angles) were banished to earth and have become evil. That the other two thirds (Christ and his angles) will come to earth to destroy the evil ET’s. This would imply that the secret military you talk about is aligned on the wrong side!!</p>
<p>Chuckspirit</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own personal answers to Chuck&#039;s questions...

&gt; 3. Where are humans going?

Wherever we take ourselves

&gt; 6. Do humans have souls? If so are they immortal?

I think we have energy that never dies, so in that sense we are immortal.
I don&#039;t know if we keep our sense of self from one stage to the next, but i do believe that in the afterlife and at other times, we have access to the collective consciousness, which does contain all the knowledge of our previous live... so although i might not be &quot;just me&quot; after this time, i can still have access to &quot;the me that was&quot;.

&gt; 7. Was there a group of evil ET&#039;s banished to this earth?
&gt; 8. If evil ET&#039;s exist here, when will they be destroyed?

As you&#039;ll read in parts 2, 3, &amp; 4 of my &quot;CSETI Training&quot; posts, I don&#039;t think so.
They are man-made and will be destroyed when people stop being apathetic, and stand up to their governments, and force them to account for all military spending in an open and honest fashion.

&gt; Questions &amp; Comments concerning CSETI training
&gt; 1. Why are the field exercises always held after dark?

It&#039;s my understanding that because of the dangers inherent in full manifestation on our plane, the ETs tend to only partially manifest... not being fully material protects them from most military ops. Of course, it also makes them hard to see. It&#039;s easier to see energy in the dark than in the light. 

It also lets people who aren&#039;t ready to believe write off what they saw as something else: &quot;Oh, it was probably just a helicopter. Hard to tell. It was very dark.&quot;

&gt; 2. A hand held radar gun can trigger radar detectors!

That&#039;s true, but i think the &quot;beam&quot; they shoot is wide enough that it would trigger both detectors if they are only a couple of feet apart...
Also, we all sat in a circle, so we always had someone 6 inches to our left and right, and many people directly across from us. Nobody ever appeared to be holding anything of the sort. You might think someone could have been hiding nearby, but the high desert of Colorado is very flat for miles &amp; miles. Someone could have been spying, but they couldn&#039;t have been very close. Yes, it was dark, but several people had night vision.

&gt; 3. Lights on distant objects can be illuminated by localized lasers!

Yes, but many people in the group had IR night vision and starlight night vision, and nobody saw lasers directed at the things we were observing (other than the lasers we ourselves were using). Starlight night vision works by &quot;light amplification&quot;, and since lasers are concentrated light, they would definitely show up.

&gt; 4. Group hypnosis, like group hysteria can be manufactured!
&gt; 5. David Copperfield does many illusions. Illusions can be manufactured!

very true... and probably easier when the group is a) tired and b) in an otherworldly setting, like the colorado high desert at 2am

&gt; 6. Have other trainees documented their experiences on the Internet?

CSETI makes everyone sign a non-disclosure agreement before the training, and i think that scared a lot of people from blogging about their experiences... a few of us have, but not many.

For what it&#039;s worth, I asked CSETI if this series of blogs about its training were okay to publish, and they said that because I didn&#039;t mention any names, yes it was totally okay. The non-disclosure agreements are more to protect people from public ridicule that they didn&#039;t consent to. We all know this stuff is &quot;out there&quot;, and some people aren&#039;t comfortable with their co-workers being able to Google them and discover that they&#039;re &quot;UFO nuts&quot;.

I&#039;m not saying that there aren&#039;t non-paranormal, scientific explanations for the things I&#039;ve experienced.
What I&#039;m saying is that regardless of their origin, the experiences were highly weird.
If they were hypnosis, or military, or something else, I can&#039;t help but wonder &quot;why?&quot;
A skeptical friend suggested that it was so we&#039;d believe the training was worth the money.
My answer to that is that almost everyone was there because they had previously seen something they could not explain. There&#039;s really no need to preach to the choir. This raises another interesting point -- I had a close encounter or sorts at my parents house when I was a teenager. It was in the woods of Southwestern Ontario. 
If this was a military/hoax operation, then why me? Why at that time? Why bother? I have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own personal answers to Chuck&#8217;s questions&#8230;</p>
<p>> 3. Where are humans going?</p>
<p>Wherever we take ourselves</p>
<p>> 6. Do humans have souls? If so are they immortal?</p>
<p>I think we have energy that never dies, so in that sense we are immortal.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if we keep our sense of self from one stage to the next, but i do believe that in the afterlife and at other times, we have access to the collective consciousness, which does contain all the knowledge of our previous live&#8230; so although i might not be &#8220;just me&#8221; after this time, i can still have access to &#8220;the me that was&#8221;.</p>
<p>> 7. Was there a group of evil ET&#8217;s banished to this earth?<br />
> 8. If evil ET&#8217;s exist here, when will they be destroyed?</p>
<p>As you&#8217;ll read in parts 2, 3, &#038; 4 of my &#8220;CSETI Training&#8221; posts, I don&#8217;t think so.<br />
They are man-made and will be destroyed when people stop being apathetic, and stand up to their governments, and force them to account for all military spending in an open and honest fashion.</p>
<p>> Questions &#038; Comments concerning CSETI training<br />
> 1. Why are the field exercises always held after dark?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my understanding that because of the dangers inherent in full manifestation on our plane, the ETs tend to only partially manifest&#8230; not being fully material protects them from most military ops. Of course, it also makes them hard to see. It&#8217;s easier to see energy in the dark than in the light. </p>
<p>It also lets people who aren&#8217;t ready to believe write off what they saw as something else: &#8220;Oh, it was probably just a helicopter. Hard to tell. It was very dark.&#8221;</p>
<p>> 2. A hand held radar gun can trigger radar detectors!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s true, but i think the &#8220;beam&#8221; they shoot is wide enough that it would trigger both detectors if they are only a couple of feet apart&#8230;<br />
Also, we all sat in a circle, so we always had someone 6 inches to our left and right, and many people directly across from us. Nobody ever appeared to be holding anything of the sort. You might think someone could have been hiding nearby, but the high desert of Colorado is very flat for miles &#038; miles. Someone could have been spying, but they couldn&#8217;t have been very close. Yes, it was dark, but several people had night vision.</p>
<p>> 3. Lights on distant objects can be illuminated by localized lasers!</p>
<p>Yes, but many people in the group had IR night vision and starlight night vision, and nobody saw lasers directed at the things we were observing (other than the lasers we ourselves were using). Starlight night vision works by &#8220;light amplification&#8221;, and since lasers are concentrated light, they would definitely show up.</p>
<p>> 4. Group hypnosis, like group hysteria can be manufactured!<br />
> 5. David Copperfield does many illusions. Illusions can be manufactured!</p>
<p>very true&#8230; and probably easier when the group is a) tired and b) in an otherworldly setting, like the colorado high desert at 2am</p>
<p>> 6. Have other trainees documented their experiences on the Internet?</p>
<p>CSETI makes everyone sign a non-disclosure agreement before the training, and i think that scared a lot of people from blogging about their experiences&#8230; a few of us have, but not many.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I asked CSETI if this series of blogs about its training were okay to publish, and they said that because I didn&#8217;t mention any names, yes it was totally okay. The non-disclosure agreements are more to protect people from public ridicule that they didn&#8217;t consent to. We all know this stuff is &#8220;out there&#8221;, and some people aren&#8217;t comfortable with their co-workers being able to Google them and discover that they&#8217;re &#8220;UFO nuts&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that there aren&#8217;t non-paranormal, scientific explanations for the things I&#8217;ve experienced.<br />
What I&#8217;m saying is that regardless of their origin, the experiences were highly weird.<br />
If they were hypnosis, or military, or something else, I can&#8217;t help but wonder &#8220;why?&#8221;<br />
A skeptical friend suggested that it was so we&#8217;d believe the training was worth the money.<br />
My answer to that is that almost everyone was there because they had previously seen something they could not explain. There&#8217;s really no need to preach to the choir. This raises another interesting point &#8212; I had a close encounter or sorts at my parents house when I was a teenager. It was in the woods of Southwestern Ontario.<br />
If this was a military/hoax operation, then why me? Why at that time? Why bother? I have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckSpirit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChuckSpirit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 17:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Derek,

Let me stir the pot a little with these questions and comments.

	Questions I would like to ask ET&#039;s directly

1. Where did humans come from?
2. Why do humans exist?
3. Where are humans going?
4. What is the ET relationship to the Bible?
5. Are biblical Angels and Christ your ET Immortals?
6. Do humans have souls? If so are they immortal?
7. Was there a group of evil ET&#039;s banished to this earth?
8. If evil ET&#039;s exist here, when will they be destroyed?



Questions &amp; Comments concerning CSETI training

1. Why are the field exercises always held after dark?
2. A hand held radar gun can trigger radar detectors!
3. Lights on distant objects can be illuminated by localized lasers!
4. Group hypnosis, like group hysteria can be manufactured!
5. David Copperfield does many illusions. Illusions can be manufactured!
6. Have other trainees documented their experiences on the Internet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Let me stir the pot a little with these questions and comments.</p>
<p>	Questions I would like to ask ET&#8217;s directly</p>
<p>1. Where did humans come from?<br />
2. Why do humans exist?<br />
3. Where are humans going?<br />
4. What is the ET relationship to the Bible?<br />
5. Are biblical Angels and Christ your ET Immortals?<br />
6. Do humans have souls? If so are they immortal?<br />
7. Was there a group of evil ET&#8217;s banished to this earth?<br />
8. If evil ET&#8217;s exist here, when will they be destroyed?</p>
<p>Questions &amp; Comments concerning CSETI training</p>
<p>1. Why are the field exercises always held after dark?<br />
2. A hand held radar gun can trigger radar detectors!<br />
3. Lights on distant objects can be illuminated by localized lasers!<br />
4. Group hypnosis, like group hysteria can be manufactured!<br />
5. David Copperfield does many illusions. Illusions can be manufactured!<br />
6. Have other trainees documented their experiences on the Internet?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to meet you Derek - My partner and I have witnessed 3 ufos since 1998 - The first easily One Mile wide and the second a close encounter!
Search Andy Bell Ashburton to view my journals - There is a lot of information within them.
Regards
Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to meet you Derek &#8211; My partner and I have witnessed 3 ufos since 1998 &#8211; The first easily One Mile wide and the second a close encounter!<br />
Search Andy Bell Ashburton to view my journals &#8211; There is a lot of information within them.<br />
Regards<br />
Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Lalancette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Lalancette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad I found your story. Thank you very much for sharing all this. I have been in somewhat the same boat as you also. I was at the Shasta 2006 training and had a blast. Best time ever.

I am not done reading it all, but will leave comment later when I am done.

Richard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I found your story. Thank you very much for sharing all this. I have been in somewhat the same boat as you also. I was at the Shasta 2006 training and had a blast. Best time ever.</p>
<p>I am not done reading it all, but will leave comment later when I am done.</p>
<p>Richard.</p>
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		<dc:creator>CSETI Training Part 2 &#171; derekmartin.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VK</title>
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		<dc:creator>VK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 17:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahaha! this is some of the most hilarious stuff I&#039;ve recently read on the Internet. dude, you are an uber geek and, uhm, simply crazy :) 

during your first encounter with aliens, I hope there is no anal probing! good luck at the retreat and keep posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahaha! this is some of the most hilarious stuff I&#8217;ve recently read on the Internet. dude, you are an uber geek and, uhm, simply crazy <img src='http://www.derekmartin.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>during your first encounter with aliens, I hope there is no anal probing! good luck at the retreat and keep posting.</p>
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