Bell vs Rogers Internet

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Whose Internet Wins?

Whose Internet Wins?

We’ve been getting about 3 calls from Bell each week, trying to get us to switch. Lately they started a new, annoying tactic. One guy would call and start with “Because you are a loyal Bell customer…” Predictably, I would interrupt and say “I’m not a Bell customer”. Then he would say “Oh, well then I can offer you an excellent deal”. I would say “no thanks” and hang-up. The “tactic” part comes next. Within 30 seconds or so, a DIFFERENT Bell sales person would call and start THE SAME SCHPEEL! Unbelievable. I would tell him “Another Bell rep JUST called, saying the same thing. Please get organized.” I didn’t have the heart to ask them to put me on the Do Not Call list.

Despite all that crap, one of them caught me off guard last week. He was very good at selling.

Ula & I have been using about 100 gig per month of bandwidth, so when this guy offered to give us faster internet, an actual landline, and 100 gig of bandwidth (versus Rogers’ 60), for roughly $25-30 less per month than we had been paying… we agreed to switch.

Bell came and connected us on Monday.
By Tuesday evening we were back with Rogers.
Yes, we actually disconnected our brand new Bell Internet after just 1 day of service.

Here’s why…

The Bell Salesperson who sold us on switching back from Rogers promised us two things:
1) That we would have a dedicated fibre-optic line to the home
2) That because of Bell’s system architecture, our connection would *definitely* be faster than our Rogers connection.

I explained that I didn’t know how this was possible, since Bell’s was 6megabit, whereas Rogers was 7, but he said the direct non-shared line made all the difference, and I should trust him.
After talking with him for about 45 minutes!!!, I agreed to switch our phone & internet over to Bell.

This is not something I take lightly, because I am an internet programmer who works full time from home, and I need the best internet access I can get, within my $70/mth budget.

Before that happened, I ran 3 internet speed tests with 3 different providers (cogeco, allisp, and backblaze).
With Rogers, my average download rate was 8749 kbps, and my upload rate was 416 kbps.
A few days later, the Bell technician arrived, and connected our phone.
Later in the day another arrived and connected our internet.
I ran the same 3 internet speed tests.
With Bell, my average download rate was 2506 kbps, and my upload rate was 648 kbps.
So, while uploads were 56% faster, downloads were 71% slower.

Everyone downloads a LOT more than they upload, so this is a pretty severe difference.

1) The line was not dedicated fibre-optic, but standard twisted-pair copper
2) The Bell connection was not faster than Rogers, but *significantly* slower.

I called customer service, and they connected me with a very friendly & helpful technician named Bob.
He said the system could take 24 hours to get fully up to speed, and that he could call me back the following day to check in.
He called back, and said he had discovered that I was setup for the 3 megabit internet, not the 6 megabit internet, and that he had fixed it for me.
He asked that I run the speed tests again, so I did.

My average download rate was 5891 kbps, and my upload rate was 644 kbps.
So, while uploads were still 55% faster, downloads were still 33% slower.

Bob asked me to humour him and run Bell’s own Speedtest, so I did, but the results were the same:
My average download rate was 5991 kbps, and my upload rate was 673 kbps.

I said that based on Bell’s sales pitch, this was unacceptable, and that if something couldn’t be done to give me the speed I was promised, I would switch back to Rogers right there and then.
Bob asked if he could call me back in an hour, after talking to his superiors, and I said “sure”.

He called back and said “I’m afraid there’s nothing we can do. Based on your location, the fastest speed we can get you, even with a dedicated fibre line, is 6 megabit, which is what you have now”.
I said that if he could tell me that by looking at my location, then the salesperson could have known that, too, and shouldn’t have pitched me a lie.
I said that I didn’t appreciate being lied to in order to buy a service, and I asked how I should go about canceling Bell and switching back to Rogers. He explained what I’d have to do BUT said that 1 month of service would be invoiced by Bell.

I asked “Are you serious? Even though it was your sales person who misrepresented your service, and I’m canceling on my 1st full day of service, I have to pay for 30 days of use?”
He shyly replied “Yes, I’m afraid that’s company policy.”
I said that was completely unacceptable, since the only reason I switched was because Bell had lied to me, and I certainly wasn’t going to pay for Bell’s lies.

Bob was in an awkward position, but was polite, and offered to connect me with “Customer Loyalty” to see about canceling the fee.
He transferred my call, and I was happy to find that he had already briefed the Customer Loyalty person on the situation.
She canceled the fee, and apologized for the inconvenience.

Bye bye forever, Bell.

I then called Rogers and explained the situation.
At one point the Rogers person asked “Why are you switching back so soon? We haven’t even processed your cancellation yet!”
I replied “Because Bell’s internet service is complete bullshit”.
They laughed and within 5 minutes I was completely re-connected with Rogers.
Then I noticed that Rogers had a new plan with a higher bandwidth limit and higher upload speed, for $20 less per month than I had been paying (due to overage charges), so I asked if they could switch me to that, and they said “Sure, no problem. It’s done as of now.”
Quick. Painless. Fast.
I never thought I’d say this, but I actually had a good experience
with Rogers and a bad experience with Bell.

After I hooked the Rogers voice & cable modems back up, I ran Bell’s own speed test again.
9760 down and 997 up.
Better than ever.
Ahhhhhhhh :)

I grew up with Bell. My Dad worked for Bell for 30 years.
His voice was the one you would hear when you dialed a wrong number anywhere in Southwestern Ontario: “We’re sorry. The number you have reached is not in service. Please check your number, or dial your call again. This is a recording.”

When my Dad was at work, and I missed him, I would dial a wrong number and listen to his voice.
Bell financed my youth, but I’m not paying them back with my adulthood.

Now it’s only a matter of time until a wireless provider knocks Bell on its ass.
They don’t need a line into the home, and they don’t require you to sign up for insane contracts.
Wi-Max can deliver 50 megabit, which is WAY faster than Bell’s fastest connection (16 megabit).
Someone will roll it out nation-wide sooner or later, and then Bell will be in real trouble.
Free Skype calling will be everywhere (it almost is already thanks to people leaving their Wi-Fi open).
Best of luck, Bell — you’re gonna need it.
Now, please put me on your Do Not Call list.

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  1. Julian
    1:26 pm on August 20th, 2009

    Wow. Well done for exercising your right to choose (even in a limited field of choice) and then being an informed enough to evaluate the service, recognize you had been wronged, and take action. I’m actually proud of you.

    Bring the Wi-Max!

  2. VK
    10:56 am on August 22nd, 2009

    Uhm, that’s what I went through in 99, 2000, 2001 and 2005 (just for shit and giggles). Bell has always been a letdown and I would cancel it just a day or two after getting their service.

    For 55$ I get 10mbit with Rogers and 95GB download, with $25 max charge for unlimited overusage. My download speeds at 1.150 megabYtes (!) per second. That’s pretty much 100% of their promised throughput. Downloading a 700MB movie takes about 10 minutes. USENET maxes out my connection and I _never_ have to upload anything. Sweet.

    BELL SUCKS.

  3. u.c.
    7:23 am on August 23rd, 2009

    Here in the UK we now have one cable provider,Virgin Media (Richard Branson).They took over 99% of all other cable providers a few years ago. We also have BT (British Telecom) who use copper wires and some fibre optic. I use Virgin, been with them for 10 years and had very few problems. For 58 GB Pounds a month (ignore rate of exchange and remember for what you buy with a Dollar costs us a Pound here) I get 50mb Broadband (with all sorts of goodies) ,No limits or restrictions on use, a landline telephone inc 400 minutes a month phonetime to anywhere in the World inc Mobiles(not sex chatlines) and HD TV. I get the speeds promised most of the time.They are trialling 200mb in London( UK ) and this will soon be rolled out in stages.They intend to just give customers the best speed they can get where they live in future for a set charge.It looks like I wont have to pay anymore. I live in Plymouth UK. pop 250,000. The other non cable providers promise the earth, like Bell, but cant deliver, promising all kind of hybrid services copper/optic but it does not work. The best place in Europe for Broadband at present is France.They started rolling our 100mb some years ago and are probably hypersonic now.I also like the fact I can lean on my provider over price and negotiate a deal.

  4. Derek
    10:06 am on August 24th, 2009

    That is the most insane deal I’ve ever heard of!

    Our minimalist landline with local calling only, plus call waiting & voicemail is $30/mth. Adding long distance is probably another $10/mth. 50 megabit internet is the fastest that is currently available, and it costs $149.95/mth (with 175 gigabyte limit). The cheapest HDTV package (Digital Basic) is $33/mth PLUS $12.95/mth for the HD tuner. That does not include any specialty/movie channels.

    So, for the equivalent of what you’re getting, it costs us at least $235/mth.

  5. u.c.
    11:01 am on August 24th, 2009

    I guess Id better not ask Virgin for any further discount then! check them out on http://www.virginmedia.com .You can build your own bundles and theres some stuff not shown. eg they dont actively sell my phone package anymore.. Talk Anywhere 400.Existing customer can manipulate their packages anytime they like.Its sure nice to know somethings cheaper in the UK for once.

  6. Derek
    3:12 pm on August 26th, 2009

    Distributel.ca offers a viable alternative to Bell & Rogers (even though it’s DSL, so they lease their lines from Bell). Unlimited local calling, all phone features (display/fwd/voicemail/3way), 5 megabit internet with no limit & no modem rental fee for $39.95/mth. Add $10/mth for unlimited North American calling. More info: http://distributel.ca/en/phone-service-internet-access.htm

  7. Julian
    12:12 pm on September 1st, 2009

    Wow, Derek, You didn’t tell me U.C. was from Devon.
    U.C. I just spent two years living there and will probably go back to live permanently some time in the future. My girlfriend grew up near Honiton.
    We lived in a few places Stockland (near honiton), Gittisham (near honiton), and Shaldon (near Teignmouth). Made quite a few trips to Plymouth for shopping etc.
    My internet wasn’t anything like what you’re experiencing. That was partly due to the fact that I was relient on what landlords had already installed and partly due to the fact that once you move out to the country your options drop off considerably. Then it’s all dependent on how close you live to the exchange server. If you live close enough and BT has the right type of wiring in the area you may be lucky enough to get 8mb but more likely you’ll be limited to a maximum of 2mb.
    It sounds like cable really is the way to go if you live in an area covered by Virgin, which to my understanding is mostly limited to main town centers (Plymouth, Exeter etc.)

  8. u.c.
    1:56 am on September 2nd, 2009

    Hi Julian
    We were having afternoon Tea in Shaldon last week.Nice place.We know Honiton well.If u get back over here Derek can give u our email.. We r about 8 miles outside Plymouth Centre on edge of Dartmoor.

    Rgds U.C. = Charlie

  9. u.c.
    2:25 am on September 2nd, 2009
  10. black trees
    10:16 am on September 30th, 2009

    I’m having a similar problem with Bell. I originally went with high speed lite and decided high speed premium would better suit my needs. I got a sales call from Bell and decided to upgrade. I’ve waited two weeks now and am still getting the same slow speed. I was going to call them today to let them know, but my phone isn’t working. LOL!

  11. jcd.lin
    7:29 pm on October 1st, 2009

    Like you I hate Bell; it’s service is completely bullshit.

    They promised a speed up to 7mb/s, but it only runs up 4.5mb/s, even so the speed is not stable. Sometimes I would get 2mb/s for the whole day. So I was really upset and decided to contact them.
    It took me one hour to an answer that this speed is what they could offer me. The rep was beating around the bush and asked me to perform all kind of activity, from rebooting the modem to check the physical location of the modem. Then I asked the average speed of similar plans and whether that’s what Bell could offer. Here is what she said: “Usually that’s the average speed. But it depends on the Internet traffic and line status as well.” WTF, couldn’t she just tell me the truth and save me one hour, and perhaps find a better service provider?!?!

  12. Slow
    8:22 pm on October 8th, 2009

    I’m with bell and I’ve had nothing but problems and I’m heading towards rogers, I live in Ottawa and the best i get with bell on speedtest.net is 1.49Mb/s down 0.52Mb/s up, I’m paying for 7Mb/s! I’m just wondering if rogers would be similar where I pay for 10Mb/s and only get something like 2Mb/s

  13. Derek
    8:56 pm on October 8th, 2009

    Bell’s network gives you a direct, unshared connection to the internet, BUT the further you are from the Bell networking station, the lower your speed will be.

    Rogers network gives you a connection to the internet that is shared between other people in your area, BUT there is no decrease based on distance.

    If you are VERY close to a Bell networking station, you will get great speed.
    If you are not (i.e. you are not getting the speed you were promised), then you’re better off getting a plan from Rogers.

    I pay for 10Mb/s, and I get 9.8Mb/s all the time.
    I’m loving it :)

  14. thom
    2:11 pm on November 16th, 2009

    I switched from Bell to Rogers a while back – then for almost three months would lose my rogers internet connection for an hour or so at a time almost daily. I finally gave up – after two technicians came by and several calls, and asked if there would be a penalty for disconnecting my service. They waived all disconnection fees and everything worked out just fine. Bell, on the other hand is charging me some kind of monthly fee on a cell phone that THEY disconnected over a month ago – my last bill was $100 more than the previous, and it’s not even active….I hate bell.

  15. u.c.
    2:22 pm on November 16th, 2009

    update to previous comments: Now getting 100megabit on trial. Averaging 85megabit here in stormy Devon UK.

  16. Andrew
    1:59 pm on December 4th, 2009

    This pretty much answers any questions that I had. My family has been with bell for a few years now, and after an upgrade, our service would cut out constantly. A dozen calls and 3 dozen transfers later, still no fix. Now the service won’t stay up for more than two minutes and bell is telling me the same crap that they did before.

    I’m sending this from my phone, solely because my Internet isn’t working.

    Rogers, here we come!

  17. Hossain
    9:53 pm on December 5th, 2009

    Thank you Darek for putting this realistic picture on your blog.
    It is very unfortunate that despite of knowing distance affects bell’s speed, the sales people hide this fact and sells their service. Even though I use 6mb line, but I never got this much of speed and the speed is variable which is not acceptable at this age.
    I’m thinking of switching to Rogers soon.

  18. Alex Sirota
    12:17 pm on January 14th, 2010

    We got Bell Entertainment recently in Toronto. If the roll out goes well this will be the premier service in TO. 28Mbps down 13 up and iptv service. The service is in beta for sure and will be for a while till at least May if not all of 2010. If you want to try it and if it’s available it’s 50% off now.

    read more on Http://bellent.currentinternet.com that’s the bell entertainment user community

  19. Roger is rippedoff
    8:24 pm on February 15th, 2010

    Forget Rogers, too expensive. Bell rolled out fast and cheaper offer. Time to move.
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