The Shadow Government
Jun/0916
Back in December 2003 I wrote a blog entry called Goddamn Aliens, in which I said that aliens were reportedly getting more violent. Whitley Strieber (author of Communion) had even started giving tips for how to avoid being abducted. They’re still great tips, but very misguided.
I also said that the US Government was collaborating with the aliens, allowing them the priviledge of abducting citizens in exchange for access to futuristic technologies.
I now believe that I was wrong on both counts.
In fact, nothing could be further from the truth of what’s really going on.
Things that have never made sense to me:
- why aliens would bother mutilating cows
- why aliens erasing people’s memories
- why aliens implant tracking devices
- why aliens traumatize people
- why the government officially denies that ETs are visiting earth, when millions have reported sightings, and thousands upon thousands have reported close encounters
If ETs really wanted to harm us, they definitely could, so how are we to make sense of this? It makes perfect sense if their goal is not to harm us, but simply to instill a deep-seated fear in us… but to what end? Numerous abductees have reported realizing that some of the Greys’ heads actually appeared to be helmets or masks, and many have reported having seen black helicopters and/or military personnel either before, after, and during their abductions.
How can this information be reconciled?
The truth is:
- Aliens from other planets do exist and are visiting earth on a regular basis
- Aliens are friendly and non-confrontational. The only time their actions could even be interpreted as hostile is when they are trying to protect us from our own stupidity by deactivating our nuclear missiles, ICBMs & space-based weapons.
- Aliens can teach us how to tap into our inner power, and they do want to teach us
- The more mental/spiritual power we have, the less we need the Government to rule & protect us
- Aliens can teach us how to tap into zero-point free energy, and they do want to teach us
- If energy is free, we don’t need fossil fuels, and we can recycle everything (most of the cost of recycling lies in its energy requirements).
So, as with any “whodunit”, you have to follow the trail back to answering the two fundamental questions:
- Who stands to gain the most by having full disclosure of the ET presence?
- Who stands to lose the most by having full disclosure of the ET presence?
The answers are clearly “us”, and “the power elite” (government, military, & big business). Ultimately, Aliens helping The People is bad for business.
The truth is that while many of the UFOs people see are genuine extra-terrestrial craft, there is a large percentage that are military.
Furthermore, and most shockingly, 100% of unwilling abductions are not performed by genuine ETs. Aliens are not doing the abducting.
It’s a rogue branch of the military/government known as the Shadow Government.
No, this is not Sci-Fi. This is reality.
The Shadow Government is funded through thousands of programs’ budgets, and investments.
This “black budget” is completely off the books.
Anyone involved in these “black operations” is completely unidentifiable.
They will deny their participation at any cost. Yes, I know this is very convenient. I’m telling you they exist, and I can offer you no proof, but just because I can’t prove it, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. At least that’s what my catholic school said about God.
To make matters worse, black project teams are disbanded after each project, and the team members are shuffled to other geographic locations.
The same team will never exist twice, and each team only knows about its own project. The project members couldn’t tell you who the other teams were even if they wanted to.
What’s more disturbing is that the President and Director of the CIA are not privy to anything about this Shadow Government. Bill Clinton tried to look into it and was denied access. As did CIA Director Woolsey. And Admiral Lord Hill Norton. And countless others. They are not denied its existence — they are denied access. President Dwight Eisenhower was also denied access. In his farewell address, he warned that:
“We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist.” — President Dwight Eisenhower (video of Eisenhower’s farewell address)
He doesn’t say it MIGHT exist. He says it exists.
What is a military-industrial complex? It is what you get whenever militarism is good for business.
Just before World War II, the US economy wasn’t doing too well. It had gone through the Great Depression, and things were still flagging. But when they entered the war, something miraculous happened — the economy started (baby) booming. It turned out that waging war required the manufacture of tanks and jets and guns and ammunition. That employed a lot of people. All those people and soldiers got paid, and all that pay got spent… pumped right into the economy. America became an intellectual & industrial super-power.
Here’s a bit of speculation about what happened next… Somewhere along the line, a 5-star General got the feeling that when the war ended, he would become less useful. He would lose his power. He wouldn’t be The Man. And so he laid down a plan to keep the people afraid. Their fear would ensure the persistent need for a strong military. If this helped the economy, great… but it didn’t have to, so long as it kept the military powerful. Rule #1) Fear = Relevance; Rule #2) Fear = Income; Rule #3) You do not talk about fight club.
In 1974, Wernher Von Braun said (paraphrasing):
“First, the Russians will be the enemy. Next, it will be terrorists. Then, it will be third world countries, or Nations of Concern. Fourth, the enemy will be asteroids, and we will build space-based weapons to defend against them. The final scare will be extra-terrestrials. The alien card is the last card. We are going to build space-based weapons to defend against aliens, and it’s all a lie.” — Wernher Von Braun, Father of Modern Rocketry
The lie isn’t that aliens are coming to earth — they are. The lie is that they are coming here with harmful intent. They most definitely are not.
Building ultra-long-range weapons and putting them into orbit will cost an almost infinite amount of money. All that money will go into military coffers. It keeps the military-industrial complex moving right along. THAT is the agenda, BUT they can only justify this if WE believe there is a real threat in space, and WE approve of the government & military’s actions.
The truth is that in order to prevent ETs & People from communing & collaborating, the shadow government & military are:
a) funding disinformation projects designed to make people afraid of ETs
b) funding major media designed to propagate the notion that ETs are to be feared
c) funding genetic experiments which create “PLFs” (programmable life forms), aka “The Greys”.
d) funding & enacting very realistic abductions with the help of the PLFs, drugs, and military in
disguise, and technology recovered from saucer crashes between the 1950s and now. They have
successfully reverse-engineered that technology and created “ARVs” (alien reproduction vehicles),
which are used in abduction scenarios. Whenever a world leader or important figure threatens to disclose
their UFO knowledge, they or their family undergo a traumatic abduction scenario, which involves a warning from
the ETs, along the lines that they do not want their presence to be made known. This is actually the military, but it
scares the person/people enough to keep their mouths zipped shut.
All of this is designed to make us a) not believe in ETs; and b) believe that if they are real, they are to be feared.
The truth is that they are real; they are easy to contact; and that they are friendly.
The Shadow Government is the real enemy.
I’ve been mixing terms here, though. Government, Military, & Shadow Government/Military.
Which is which?
The Government thinks it is the only Government.
The Military thinks it is the only Military.
The Shadow Government/Military KNOWS it is the only real Government+Military.
Here’s how it works:
- UFO crashes in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, and the official Military picks it up
- Someone in the Military classifies it as ultra-top-secret, and invents a new security classification called “cosmic clearance”. You need cosmic clearance to know the real story. Everyone else is told it was a weather balloon.
- Everyone who had seen the UFO eventually stays on the project, in addition to their day jobs. Remember, only people with “cosmic clearance” even know about this project. In many cases, lower class officers would have clearance, while their superiors would not, because they did not have a “need to know”.
- Soon enough, reverse engineer the craft, and make others like it. These new craft are called “alien reproduction vehicles”, or ARVs
- The military has a don’t ask, don’t tell policy, and this is how much of their accounting works. They can’t specify what their expenses are, because the accountants simply don’t have the clearance required to read that line item. If someone says “Where did this $100 Million go?”, they just need to reply “A special project that’s above your pay grade”, and that’s the end of it.
- The original team now has technology far surpassing anything that conventional militaries have access to, BUT they are still technically part of the military. The project team member with the highest rank is effectively the King. Whatever he says goes, and there is noone above him with the necessary clearance to question him.
- That person uses his own personal army of ARVs to stage abductions of civilians, politicians, and anyone else he might want to strike fear into. It is a long term strategy for both a) military dominance; and b) military spending.
But, I’m rambling on…
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Interesting Presidential Facts
Jan/090
Most presidents had these words as their most prominent: government (15), nation (10), people (6), world (3), public (2), great (2), country (2), war (2 – Madison 1813 & Lincoln 1865)
There were, however, a few unique ones, who didn’t copy anyone else. I wonder what that says about them? Are these unique words somehow more defining of the American Identity?
President – Unique Most Prominent Word of Inaugural Speech – Interesting Quote From Speech
George Washington (1789) said “oath” twice
His tag cloud is the only one that is completely uniform. He never using any word more than once, except “oath”, which he used twice, speaking of the oath he was about to take.
He led the Continental Army to victory over the Kingdom of Great Britain in the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) and served as the first President of the United States of America (1789–1797).
James Monroe (1821) said “great” 29 times
in reference to all manner of things: size of the country, strength, government, his satisfaction, etc. Is “great” the pilgrim equivalent of the word “like” ?
He was the fifth President of the United States (1817–1825). His administration was marked by the acquisition of Florida (1819); the Missouri Compromise (1820), in which Missouri was declared a slave state; the admission of Maine in 1820 as a free state; and the profession of the Monroe Doctrine (1823), declaring U.S. opposition to European interference in the Americas, as well as breaking all ties with France remaining from the War of 1812.
William Henry Harrison (1841) said “power” 63 times
“We admit of no government by divine right, believing that so far as power is concerned the Beneficent Creator has made no distinction amongst men; that all are upon an equality, and that the only legitimate right to govern is an express grant of power from the governed.” This dude was the most repetitious, using the word “power” 63 times in a single speech.
He was an American military leader, politician, the ninth president of the United States, and the first president to die in office. The oldest president elected until Ronald Reagan in 1980, Harrison had served 31 days in office, still the shortest tenure in United States presidential history, before his death in April 1841. His death created a brief constitutional crisis, but ultimately resolved many questions about presidential succession left unanswered by the Constitution until passage of the 25th Amendment.
Franklin Pierce (1853) said “right” 15 times
speaking of American people’s rights; constitutional rights.
He was the fourteenth President of the United States, serving from 1853 to 1857, an American politician and lawyer. To date, he is the only President from New Hampshire. He suffered tragedy in his personal life and as president subsequently made decisions which were widely criticized and divisive in their effects, thus giving him the reputation as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history.
James Buchanan (1857) said “states” 22 times
largely in reference to the Constitution, Courts, and Government thereof.
He was the fifteenth President of the United States (1857‚Äì1861) and the last to be born in the 18th Century. To date he is the only President from Pennsylvania and is the only never to marry. As president he was a “doughface” (a Northerner with Southern sympathies) who battled Stephen A. Douglas for control of the Democratic Party. As Southern states declared their secession in the lead-up to the American Civil War, he held that secession was illegal but that going to war to stop it was also illegal and hence remained inactive. His inability to avert the Civil War has subsequently been assessed as the worst single failure by any President of the United States.[2] Buchanan has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the worst Presidents.
Abraham Lincoln (1861) said “constitution” 24 times
Abe went back to fundamentals, quoting the constitution all over the place, in regard to many things, including slavery, and the strength (growing weakness) of the Union.
He was the sixteenth President of the United States. He successfully led the country through its greatest internal crisis, the American Civil War, preserving the Union and ending slavery. Assassinated as the war was drawing to a close, Lincoln had been the first Republican elected to the Presidency. Before his presidency, he was a lawyer, an Illinois state legislator, a member of the United States House of Representatives, and twice an unsuccessful candidate for election to the Senate.
Ulysses S. Grant (1869) said “law” 8 times
“It will be my endeavour to execute all laws in good faith. . . Laws are to govern all alike.”
He lead the Union general in the American Civil War. Presidential experts typically rank Grant in the lowest quartile of U.S. presidents, primarily for his tolerance of corruption. In recent years, however, his reputation as president has improved somewhat among scholars impressed by his support for civil rights for African Americans.
Woodrow Wilson (1917) said “purpose” 9 times
regarding unselfish moral purpose.
“Nothing will alter our thought or our purpose. They are too clear to be obscured. They are too deeply rooted in the principles of our national life to be altered. We desire neither conquest nro advantage. We wish nothing that can be had only at the cost of another people. We always professed unselfish power and we covet the opportunity to prove our professions sincere.” Great speech.
He was the twenty-eighth President of the United States. A devout Presbyterian and leading intellectual of the Progressive Era, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey in from 1911 to 1913. He proved highly successful in leading a Democratic Congress to pass major legislation that included the Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act, America’s first-ever federal progressive income tax in the Revenue Act of 1913 and most notably the Federal Reserve Act. SHAME ON HIM!
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933) said “national” 9 times
national life, national scale, national planning, national economy, national recovery, national emergency, national unity
He is often referred to by his initials FDR, was the thirty-second President of the United States. He was a central figure of the 20th century during a time of worldwide economic crisis and world war. Elected to four terms in office, he served from 1933 to 1945 and is the only U.S. president to have served more than two terms. During the Great Depression of the 1930s, Roosevelt created the New Deal to provide relief for the unemployed, recovery of the economy, and reform of the economic and banking systems. He provided Lend-Lease aid to Winston Churchill and the British war effort before America’s entry into World War II in December, 1941. On the home front he introduced price controls and rationing, and relocation camps for 110,000 Japanese-Americans. Roosevelt led the United States as it became the ‘Arsenal of Democracy’.
Franklin D. Roosevelt (1945) said “peace” 6 times
just & honorable peace, durable peace,
“We can and we will achieve such a peace. We shall strive for perfection. We shall not achieve it immediately — but we still shall strive. We may make mistakes — but they must never be mistakes which result from faintness of heart or abandonment of moral principle . . . We have learned that we cannot live alone, at peace; that our own well-being is dependent on the well-being of other nations far away . . . We have learned the simple truth, as Emerson said, that “The only way to have a friend is to be one.” We can gain no lasting peace if we approach it with suspicion and mistrust or with fear. We can gain it only if we proceed with the understanding, the confidence, and the courage which flow from conviction.” That’s the majority of his speech! Very short!
He is often referred to by his initials FDR, was the thirty-second President of the United States. He was a central figure of the 20th century during a time of worldwide economic crisis and world war. Elected to four terms in office, he served from 1933 to 1945 and is the only U.S. president to have served more than two terms. During the Great Depression of the 1930s, Roosevelt created the New Deal to provide relief for the unemployed, recovery of the economy, and reform of the economic and banking systems. He provided Lend-Lease aid to Winston Churchill and the British war effort before America’s entry into World War II in December, 1941. On the home front he introduced price controls and rationing, and relocation camps for 110,000 Japanese-Americans. Roosevelt led the United States as it became the ‘Arsenal of Democracy’.
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953) said “free” 21 times
on the American people and their spirit.
“The strength of all free peoples lies in unity; their danger, in discord.”
He was the thirty-fourth President of the United States from 1953 until 1961 and a five-star general in the United States Army. During the Second World War, he served as Supreme Commander of the Allied forces in Europe, with responsibility for planning and supervising the successful invasion of France and Germany in 1944‚Äì45. In 1951, he became the first supreme commander of NATO. As President, he oversaw the cease-fire of the Korean War, kept up the pressure on the Soviet Union during the Cold War, made nuclear weapons a higher defense priority, launched the Space Race, enlarged the Social Security program, and began the Interstate Highway System. Eisenhower also was highly involved in the 1953 Iranian coup d’?©tat, the overthrow of Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mossadegh and replacing him with the pro-Western Shah. He has been consistently ranked by scholars as one of the greatest U.S. Presidents.
John F. Kennedy (1961) said “side” 8 times
both sides’ quest for peace; both sides overburdened by the cost of mordern warfare; remembering on both sides that civility is not a sign of weakness; Let both sides explore what problems unite us.
“Let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved.”
He is often referred to by his initials JFK, was the thirty-fifth President of the United States, serving from 1961 until his assassination in 1963. To date, he is the only practicing Roman Catholic to be president. He was the second-youngest President (after Theodore Roosevelt), and the youngest elected to the office, at the age of 43.[1][2] Kennedy is also the only president to have won a Pulitzer Prize.[3] Events during his administration include the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the building of the Berlin Wall, the Space Race, the African American Civil Rights Movement and early events of the Vietnam War.
Richard Nixon (1973) said “America” 21 times
in reference to all manner of things: America was bleak in spirit; promise of America; America’s work to preserve freedom.
“The time has passed when America will make every other nation’s conflict our own.” O-RLY?
He was the thirty-seventh President of the United States (1969–1974), and the only president to ever resign the office. He was also the thirty-sixth Vice President of the United States (1953–1961). In the face of likely impeachment for his role in the Watergate scandal,[1] Nixon resigned on August 9, 1974. His successor, Gerald Ford, issued a pardon for any federal crimes Nixon may have committed while in office.
Bill Clinton (1997) said “century” 21 times
the last inauguration of the 20th century; challenges that await us in the next century; new century; 18th century; The American Century; We need a new government for a new century;
He served as the forty-second President of the United States from 1993 to 2001. He was the fifteenth Democrat elected to that office. He became president at the end of the Cold War, and as he was born in the period after World War II, is known as the first Baby Boomer president. Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a reported federal surplus of $559 billion.
George W. Bush (2005) said “freedom” 27 times
defending freedom; human freedom; triumph of freedom; use our influence confidently in freedom’s cause;
“The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world. . . . We have essential work at home — the unfinished work of American freedom.”
He served as the forty-third President of the United States from 2001 to 2009. He was the forty-sixth Governor of Texas from 1995 to 2000 before being sworn in as President on January 20, 2001. Eight months into his first term as President, the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks occurred and Bush announced a global War on Terrorism, ordered an invasion of Afghanistan that same year and an invasion of Iraq in 2003, becoming the first national leader in history to declare war upon a strategy. Bush was a popular president for much of his first term, peaking after the September 11 terrorist attacks when his nearly 90% approval rating was the highest of any president in American history to date. His popularity declined sharply during his second term, when he received the lowest approval rating as well as the lowest sustained approval numbers in American history.
To recap, the unique words are
oath, power, right, states, constitution, law, purpose, national, peace, free, side, America, century, freedom
For the record, Obama’s most prominent word was “nation” – 15 times – nation at war; prepare the nation for a new age; we remain a young nation; powerful nation; duty to our nation; “In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned.”
Biographical facts from Wikipedia.
Word counts & quotes from the New York Times.
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7:09 am on June 10th, 2009
You are nuts. There are NO “aliens” and UFOs are all man-made.
http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/la-mag-april052009-backstory,0,706224.story
7:38 am on June 10th, 2009
I realize that what I have written might sound nuts, but there definitely are aliens. Area 51/Groom Lake isn’t the holy grail; it’s just one of a number of facilities that have been involved. Yes, 5 people testified in that article that there were no UFOs at Area 51, but those 5 people either a) didn’t have clearance to know about it; or b) were told that if they ever told anyone the truth, their families would be killed. That’s how it works. Yes, one of those guys was the base commander, but as i said above, if he didn’t have access to the project, he wouldn’t know what they were working on, even on his own base. Watch this youtube video if you want the real dirt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk
It is 2 hours of testimony by a large number of high-ranking officals including air traffic controllers, secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defense specialists with top secret clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, commanders in the U.S. Air Force, astronauts, and more. All going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding UFOs, and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.
8:04 am on June 10th, 2009
ok Sir. there is “definitely” God as well. counts and counts of intellectuals, high-ranking officials and billions of people will testify that there is. I would rather take agnostic approach to the [non-]existence of aliens — can’t prove nor disprove.
not going to discuss this further
9:13 am on June 10th, 2009
Derek, I think you have hit the nail right on the head.Anyone who thinks we are not being manipulated one day is in for a big shock.We are all controlled even if we think we are not.It is a very oppressive world at present all engineered for other peoples benefit, whoever they are.You know I dont especially beleive in ETs and suspect there are many dimensions to this ole Planet Earth and that sometimes things collide but I have a very open mind. I just have a very strong feeling from my nocturnal wanderings.
9:55 am on June 10th, 2009
Everything & everyone is inter-dimensional. Humans just aren’t very good at accessing anything beyond the 3rd dimension, except when they’re dreaming, dying, or meditating. I do believe you can directly experience God, and that near-death experiences are real. I also believe that everything is energy, and energy is consciousness, and that the total number of consciousnesses in the universe is One. We share it with the plants, animals, and the ETs… but we have to be willing to accept that before we can experience it. You truly do create your own reality, and it is for this reason that many believers can create experiments that prove things, while skeptics are unable replicate those results. The experimentor’s belief system & expectations are the confound variable. The Heisenberg Principle (observing affects outcome) and The Secret (you get what you believe) are basically the same thing, and they are in full effect.
11:29 am on June 10th, 2009
thats for sure and absolutely near death experiences are very very real ,sometimes enlightening and sometimes scary but dont get any at all on a CPAP machine.Better alive than dead.
9:55 am on June 17th, 2009
“The experimentor’s belief system & expectations are the confound variable.”
This statement is so riddled with fallacy, I don’t even know where to begin. For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial. 100’s of years of scientific progress should be tossed out the window if this isn’t to remain true.
The only thing that changes when the experiment is carried out by a so called “believer” is the interpretation of the results.
The credibility, such that it is in my estimation, of some of your ideas, took a plunge of leagues with that single sentence.
I used to think some of your beliefs were “just a bit kooky” now I’m wondering when kooky becomes fanatical and benign becomes harmful.
11:23 am on June 17th, 2009
“For any experiment to be legitimized in any way the experimentor needs to remain impartial.”
I *almost* agree… except for the word “any”.
I’m not saying that all experimental results are untrustworthy.
I’m saying there are certain types of experiments where they can’t be trusted (yet).
Experimental results are currently trustworthy for anything that resides 100% in the physical world / 3rd dimension…
Unfortunately, there are real places, people, and things that are not physical / 3rd dimensional. Experimental observations cannot be trusted when observing non-physical / Nth dimensional effects.
By way of example, people have died on the operating table – complete flatline with no brain activity – and been revived 20 minutes later. They claim to have been hovering over their bodies watching the entire procedure, AND they are able to tell the Doctors who did what, and when, and where they were standing, despite the fact that their eyes were closed, and brains were dead. This has been documented by attending doctors, who were dumbfounded.
As another example, some autistic savants claim see numbers as physical things. We know their brains are wired differently, because they’re autistic savants, but we have no idea how or why they can somehow see another dimension to numbers. We can’t, but that doesn’t mean those qualities don’t exist.
To go back to my original point about impartiality and the observer having an effect on the observed… Beliefs & thoughts & ideas are definitely not “nothings”. We know they exist because we all have them… but we can’t measure them. They are all excellent examples of N-dimensional non-physical things, and those things have qualities: frightening, hopeful, funny, etc.
If you’ll agree that non-physical things have properties, then it’s possible that they might interact with other non-physical things. It is in this way that pre-conceptions could affect whether or not you see ghosts. As they say “If you are open to it, you will experience it”.
This doesn’t mean that verifying & measuring is impossible… it just means that there are other variables entering into the equation; ones we have not been accounting for.
The Problem With Science isn’t that it clings to physicality and measurability, but that it insists that if we can’t measure something today, it musn’t exist, and must be bogus.
11:36 am on June 17th, 2009
If the proof we need can’t be observed (universally by impartial parties), measured, or quantified today, then it can’t be proved today. You’re right to say that this doesn’t mean it can’t someday be proved, however this fact does nothing to lend any of the theories any credibility. Today it is false and there is nothing to indicate that that will ever change. It is simply useless to bring up the notion of evidence until that evidence actually exists.
2:04 pm on June 18th, 2009
Its was exactly by dismissing intel (mostly personal stories and local intel) that led the world to dismiss the genocide of 6 million jews whilst it was actually happening as no one could beleive it without positive proof which usually is only available after an event.A lot of interviews I have listened to recently(not from axe grinders,cooks or for profit orgs) seem very convincing with regard to et existence.We know in particular how afraid the US seem to be concerning ufo secrets hence the stance re Gary MacKinnon.The strictly scientific approach is not always appropriate I feel. The probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now.You can believe on the basis of probability. The Hadron collider is testing probability to provide proof and expand scientific understanding of some things we have accepted for many years without absolute scientific proof.
4:22 pm on June 18th, 2009
1. what was happening with the Jews, Romani, Slavic peoples was well known to the international community back then
2. “the probability of et existence seems to be the majority view and I am happy to go along with that now” << so is the view that God exists and so does Santa and Tooth Fairy (although some stop believing in both after a certain age). belief != truth
12:09 am on June 19th, 2009
Well there was intelligence about the genocide but rather a lot of people at the time dismissed it as far fetched and unbelievable and they were somewhat preoccupied at the time. (thanks for remembering the other peoples who suffered).
Overwhelming probability = probable truth. Anyhow its an interesting debate.I must go now as I just found sixpence under my pillow from the Tooth Fairy and have to skip down to the shops for some sweeties.
8:09 am on June 19th, 2009
I don’t like when the Jewish people are the only ones mentioned as those who suffered the most. Evil is evil, however 11.4 million Russian civilians died (26 million in total), 2.7 million Polish civilians (excluding Jews), 16.2 million Chinese civilians, etc.
Jewish loss is just a fraction of the the 42 million civilians who lost their lives during the WWII. Genocidal policies were carried out against the Romani people. Under the Generalplan Ost a large number of Slavic peoples were exterminated. The details of this were well known to those who could have taken action.
In 1994, 1.1 million Tutsis and Hutus were killed in Rwanda within just 100 days (that’s 10,000 murdered every day, 400 every hour, 7 every minute). Did the whole world know about that? Yes. Did anyone do anything? No. Sadly, but unless it happens to them or close to them, people generally do not care.
Anywho…
“Overwhelming probability”? How did you calculate that?
We discuss the probability theory if you wish.
1:04 am on June 20th, 2009
VK
I didnt say that and just in case u r curious im a Catholic brought up Brit with an open mind. endit
8:07 pm on June 20th, 2009
I know, UC. This was just a general comment. I keep always hearing about Jews, Jews, Jews, Jews. No one seems to talk about others.
1:37 am on June 21st, 2009
OK VK understand, now has Derek been abducted???????